A: I first remember seeing you onstage with WD40 at Tsunami's opening for MDC in 1990. I first met you at KHSU in the engineer booth, I think Cathy M introduced us. I remember your fish tattoo looking very fresh.
Husband, Father of some youngens, long time organic produce warehouseman (what’s your official title?) and musician, where do you find time for it all?A: My official title is Purchasing Inventory Maintenance and I review quality and "select lots" for specific customers at Organically Grown Company in Portland. It's actually a really fun job. I don't find time for it all, I feel like I barely get anything done except for work, sleep, raise kids, eat food, spend time with my wife Tina and then sometimes if I'm motivated I go downstairs into the basement studio and work on recording my music. I wish there were more hours in the day.
A: My earliest music memories are the Beatles, they were huge with my older brothers. "Yellow Submarine" was my first favorite song, followed by "Rhinestone Cowboy" by Glenn Campbell and "Thank God I'm a Country Boy" by John Denver. When I had the opportunity, I would play those 8 tracks over and over again. I really liked FM radio hits when I was 8,9,10, I loved whatever shitty classic rock was big at the time. I first wanted to be in a band after being exposed to AC/DC, Van Halen and Ozzy. I picked up guitar at age 13 when I traded a BMX bike for a shitty electric guitar that I plugged into my stereo. That was 1984.
Are there genres that you find distasteful or others that maybe you’ve grown to appreciate?A: I savor the moment anytime music disturbs me enough to almost offend me. I was recently exposed to large doses of Ke$ha, Brittney Spears and Katy Perry; part of me wanted to barf but I still find some musical value in that very crass, commercial crap. Of the three, I like Katy Perry the best. I so far can't get into techno or club type music. I have lots of friends who are into it but it's for sure not for me. Modern country is pretty revolting, it's pretty much the worst. I'm pretty sick of 1980s music about now, I heard enough Duran Duran the first time around, it makes me puke when I hear it at a restaurant now. Bleccchhhh!!
Garden Weasel - Look and Judge Tulip - Wipe It Up At what point did you make the transition from listener of music to wanting to play an instrument? What was your first band experience like?A: before I could really play guitar I had a crappy acoustic guitar that I would tune to an ugly chord and just make up "rock riffs". My friend Bear (Bar with an umlaut is how he spells it) had a home-made drum kit constructed of a plastic bucket, a tinker-toy can and the top head of a banjo, would would jam free of shame and then make overdubs of piano, clarinet and have the cello play a bassline, etc... We would just pile on tracks by holding one boombox near the other recorder and then playing along with our own tapes, eventually making a masterpiece mainly composed of tape hiss. A year or two later we had actual instruments and a 4 track, we spent many afternoons and evenings in his bedroom making up our own songs. Bar later went on to join the group Mr. Bungle. I learned everything I know about self-recorded songwriting from watching him work. Near the end of our collaborative high school years, Bar was playing every instrument and doing 4 part harmonies with the 4 track, really cool stuff.
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Did you have anyone you looked up to, or who sort of showed you the ropes in life or music?A: My brother Monty comes to mind immediately. He was always very musical, learning clarinet early on and expanding to many other instruments. I remember him banging away on piano when I was 5 or 6, really just thinking he was a god because he could play Scott Joplin ragtime piano as well as popular hits of the day like Styx or Supertramp. He also played guitar and taught me my first chords. He is a monster musician who is a woodwinds professor and lives and teaches in Macon, Georgia. My older brothers Mike and Darrow and my sister Neva all went to pains to expose me to what they felt was cool music, I think they all gave me the impression early on that music is very important.
A: A third-tier heavy metal band called Rail played in my town (Crescent City) in 1984. They sounded like most every other heavy metal band ever from the 1980s but it was cool to see a loud show . Van Halen 5150 was my first arena show in 1985, not very memorable but it was ok. The first show that really blew my mind was Meat Puppets with Mr. Bungle at HSU, this was probably 1988. They were the first underground band I really connected with because I sensed a similar kind of nerdy, classic-rock-hard-rock fandom with the Meat Puppets, and they were fucking weirdos, really did their own thing at the time, so I was happy to have a band that seemed like "mine."
How about that first time you hit the stage yourself in front of an audience, what was that like?A: After playing for 4 or 5 weeks I got up onstage with my brother's (former) band Puffin, an R&B blues band and I played "Peter Gunne" out-of-tune but with sunglasses and feathered hair. I had a solo all worked out and still probably have a recording of it somewhere. Next was the Catholic school talent show at the Octoberfest in 1984. Bar and Ed did a kind of medley of Kinks and Quiet Riot songs that we knew. I played as often as possible during the first few years of high school with different bands at assemblies school events and what not. I was pretty comfortable on stage from the beginning, I always liked it.
A: Wow. I have so much music on my mind all the time. Where to even start? Lou Reed was huge to me because I also sing in a low register and he has probably above all others been my guiding artistic muse. Bob Mould, Paul Westerberg, David Bowie aer all top favorites for general listening. My late-night listening includes lots of mellow music like Devendra Banhart (only his early stuff), Cocteau Twins, Nick Drake, Robyn Hitchcock and Swans. I listen to lots of jazz, mostly at work. For Punk-era stuff, my initial favorites were Minor Threat, Black Flag, Agent Orange, Social Distortion, Fear, Devo - I still rock my exact same mix tape of all that shit in the car. Black Sabbath I've listened to so much that I almost can't listen to it anymore but I think all that music is in my DNA. Rolling Stones, Hendrix, Stooges, the Who, the Doors - I guess I've gone classic rock, I'll listen to any of that still. And Helios Creed and Chrome and Killdozer. And Thin LIzzy. I pretty much eat, breathe and shit music, I'm always curious if there is stuff I haven't heard yet.
You’ve been in a hell of a lot of bands, can you possible name them all? Or how about just the memorable ones? We talked the other day about all the bands you play in, two, and your solo project. Give me your take on those bands and what’s the deal with your solo project?A: Sure I'll try:
1. Bar and Ed/No Nik Muk No Tin Lik 1985-1990 2. Garden Weasel 1990-1992 3. Tulip 1994-1995 4. Billy Jack 1995-1996 5. the Naysayers 1996-2002 6. Velocirapture 2000 1999-2000 7. Activator 2001-2004 8. Ed Cole and the College Girls of Tora Bora 2002-2005 http://tinyurl.com/o9hslj6 9. White Hot Odyssey 2004-2005 http://tinyurl.com/pmxwtjt 10. The Underlings 2006-present 11. Thundering Asteroids 2014
The deal with my upcoming solo album is: I have 10 new songs that are all-acoustic. I'm very nearly done with the music-making part of it. There are about 6 different people on it, lots of odd (for me) instruments like banjo and cello and jaw harp. I plan to have it released by the end of summer. (See the song/vid at the end of this interview... Ever since I went to visit you that one time, I’ve loved Eugene and thought it would be a great place to live (like Frisco it’s got a shit ton of cafes). After being a long time Eugene Oregon resident, you made the big move to Portland, what the hell man? What’s so special about Portland? Are the scenes different?A: Eugene is the ultimate hippy town, which is both good and bad. Lots of good, healthy food and good coffee, etc... The music scene in Eugene is actually pretty good for a small town and all the players are fairly close-knit. There is a great pub called Sam Bond's that everybody knows about and at least 7 or so other places to play music at around town. The WOW hall is one of my favorite venues. I've seen Nomeansno there perhaps 12 times? It's THE place for all ages punk shows for touring bands. Too much reggae and hippy jam music in Eugene but it's a nice place that I'll always come back too. There are some younger people with good taste who are hosting interesting bands, there's a lot going on for such a small city.
Do you have any records/CDs for sale and where can a guy get those? A: You can download my home recordings at my Bandcamp page. The Underlings have 2 CDs you can get through CD Baby and we have a 7" . You can order those by emailing us on Facebook.The Underlings - Part Time Crime [audio mp3="http://mustard-relics.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/the-Underlings-Part-time-crime.mp3"][/audio] The Underlings - Foreign Sausage [audio mp3="http://mustard-relics.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/14-The-Underlings-Foriegn-Sausage.mp3"][/audio] The Underlings - Vice Squad [audio mp3="http://mustard-relics.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/the-underlings-01-vice-squad.mp3"][/audio] Ed Cole - Cross 2 Bear [audio mp3="http://mustard-relics.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/Ed-Cole-Cross-2-bear.mp3"][/audio] Ed Cole - Working Class Losers [audio mp3="http://mustard-relics.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/Ed-Cole-Working-class-losers.mp3"][/audio] Ed Cole - Underbelly Set [audio mp3="http://mustard-relics.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/Ed-Cole-Underbelly-Set.mp3"][/audio]
What new stuff spins on your turntable these days? A:Today it was John Fahey, Return of Blind Joe Death. Earlier it was Guided By Voices ??? I forget which album and then Brian Eno, Before and After Science. I listen on headphones to spotify at work, I often play Dead Boys, Warren Zevon, Amanda Palmer (barf! I can't believe I liked her, that was last year), Kurt Vile, Camper Van Beethoven, Pere Ubu, Judas Priest, I think I listened to all of that and more this week. I listened to Mylie Cyrus' "Bangers" this week also, it wasn't very good but I still like her.[youtube https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D3DMde9OewQ]
As I said earlier, you seem to always have a lot of coles (pun intended) in the fire, any future projects in the works?A: I'm working on an album in my head right now, a rock album that is going to be like Lou Reed meets Tom Petty with Television as the backing band.
A: Play because you want to, play because it feels good, make music freely and don't worry about the consequences. Don't get bogged down worrying about success, just keep making music because it's just the best thing that humanity has come up with so far. Music will heal you or at least make your transition to death much more pleasant.
Thanx bud! Ed is well represented on the net with a Bandcamp to get your listening on of his solo material, a Facebook where you can socialize and swap recipes, more listening at Reverbnation, you can get inside his head at Edhead 101, and you can take an epic journey in his Garden Weasel Diaries.After a while here we'll have part 2 of the interview with a ton of killer tunes. For now, wanted to finish this off with what I consider to the culmination of years writing and performing music. This here vid, I need to give anonymous kudos to the videographer who did a stunning job, is the kind of stuff that should be popular on the radio right now and really is testimony to the sophistication of Mr. Cole as an artist and composer, enjoy...
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Ya know thinking about it Jeff, we’ve known each other for 25+ years, but for the life of me, this burnt out brain has done away with the memories of our meeting. Do you remember the circumstances of how we met and what was going on with you at that time?
Is there any music you don’t like?
Are there any particular bands that have had a lasting impact or have shaped you as a musician today and why would that be?
As your art has grown, your taste in it must be ever changing too (or not). Are there any artists that inspired you and that have stood the test of time, what made them so special?
What new stuff spins on your turntable? Who's hot in the Humboldt scene right now? Who would you like to see on a dream bill at say the Alibi?
In this virtual age, you are yet another one of those valued friends that I have never actually met, what's your story Freddy, where do you come from?
Well, my story goes like this: Born in Peru, moved to NYC when I was 8 years old. Grew up in Jackson Heights, Queens. I believe we are all the sum total of how our parents & surroundings mold us growing up, so I feel lucky to have had an extremely diverse upbringing that's influenced a good chunk of the choices I've made in life. I also value our virtual friendship. I remember reading a quote somewhere that it's really hard for men to make other friends of the same gender once we hit our 30's & 40's. Glad to see that's not the case here, hope to drink a couple of cold ones in person one day!
You are a man who wears many hats, how do you define yourself?
I am an Acupuncturist by training, a HC/Punk music aficionado by choice, a Peruvian/American by identity & an NYC "lifer". I've lived here for 35-plus years, so I think I get to call myself that. As far as personal politics, religion & what have you; it's a moot point, I've always been non-denominational in regards to those issues.
As a fellow music lover spanning many genres in several decades, I'm curious about what was your first exposure to music?
My earliest musical exposure that I can recall is of the melodramatic Spanish pop music best exemplified by Julio Iglesias/Camilo Sesto & others of their ilk. My cousins used to play them to death back in Peru during the mid-1970's, so I've always had a soft spot for them. I also still dig old Peruvian waltzes that my mom used to play when I was child, to this day; I'll be transported back in time whenever I hear those sounds.
Hardcore punk, metal or hip hop, can you live with just one?
Don't think so! I will say that I still find some current bands in the HC/Punk/Metal spectrum interesting. Sadly, I can't say the same for the current state of hip hop. I think the last good rap records were released in the mid to late 1990's. There's too much commercial gloss in hip hop today plus the effort to fit into an "Urban Contemporary" niche has really watered down the original feel of hip hop & this is coming from someone who was a b-boy in 1982, rocking Adidas track suits/shelltop sneakers & going to all the early rap concerts.
First memorable show? Or feel free to list several.
Ok my first shows-
In Hip-Hop: Affrikaa Bambatta & the Soul Sonic Force in 1982.
In Hardcore: Raw Power in 1985
In Metal: Slayer in 1986
All three impacted me deeply for varying reasons. Whether it was my age at the time, catching them at their prime or living in a vastly different city to the way NY is now; I really can't say. Unless some totally breathtaking new genre of music appears & blows me away. I am always gonna have these 3 reference points as the gold standard. Of course I've listened to every conceivable strain of music under the sun, but I'll be a bit dogmatic & hold on to these as the prime movers.
Did you have anyone you looked up to, or who sort of showed you the ropes in the scene(s)?
I got into HC my sophomore year in High School. I'd discovered punk through listening to a local college new wave station. There was a small group of skinheads & metal heads at my school. I became good friends with this skin named Leo from Brooklyn & started hanging out with him & the band he played in, called Occupied Territory. Those guys worshipped the Bad Brains, Scream & Minor Threat so I'm forever grateful for being introduced to those bands. It was also through them that I met people in the scene & started going to the HC matinees at CBGB's.
What are your top five bands, of all time, in any genre and why?
For HC: Black Flag, Minor Threat, Bad Brains, Discharge & the Dead Kennedys.
For Metal: Black Sabbath, Judas Priest, Motörhead, Slayer & Venom
For Hip Hop: Afrikkaa Bambataa, Grandmaster Flash, Run DMC, Eric B & Rakim, Public Enemy
One can arguably trace the lineage of any current bands or performers in those genres down to these trendsetting acts.
You teased me a while back with a tune from a band you played in (dying to get a full rip of that to post), what is your history of being on the stage, the observed as opposed to an observer?
Well, we never made it to the stage, just some practices & we recorded 1 song at Don Fury's studio. The story goes like this: I was compiling material from bands that would end up on the New Breed Tape Comp. I wanted to form a band to be included on it, never mind the fact that I can't & never will be able to play any instrument. Undaunted, I put a flyer looking for band members, got some cool responses & met people that could actually play. They came up with a song & I wrote the lyrics to & recorded it but the end result didn't blow me away so we shelved it. Listening to said track 25 years layer, it actually doesn't sound all that bad, certainly no worst than other stuff from that time. The guys in the band, we called ourselves Last Cause, are saying that we had a couple of other tunes that I can't for the life of me remember. When a good tape of them pops up, a link will come your way, just don't be too harsh on them!
Why release records and what's the story behind calling it Wardance Records?
I decided back in '89, since I can't actually play music, why don't I do the next best thing & help release it? The New Breed tape was the first production I was involved with. The explosion of bands centered around Abc No Rio in 1990 influenced me to document on vinyl some of the ones that I thought were amazing. I stopped in '94 & brought the label back to life in 2010. It now functions as a reissues/put out records by friends label. I've done these formats in my releases so far: vinyl, tape, cd, 8-track, t-shirts, poster & even a book. I hope to still do a VHS, DVD & flexi sometime in the near future. The label's name comes off a song title from one of my all time favorite lp's: Killing Joke's debut record.
Is there any secret unreleased material, that never came to be?
Not stuff that was supposed to come out on Wardance, but I always wanted to put out related material like the band the singer & drummer from Citizens Arrest had in '92, called Colossus, did an amazing 5-song demo or the Rorschach demo before their 1st Lp w/unreleased songs. I'll keep pestering them about some kind of future release involving that stuff.
Any future projects in the works?
Right not I'm trying to finish this video documentary on the New Breed Comp that me & my friend John Woods have been working on for the past 2 years. We've done about 14 interviews with band members/zine editors & record label dudes that were involved with the comp in 1988. The editing process has been slow but we finally got a good editor. The plan is to finish a 45-60 minute documentary & have a screening @John's Nitehawk cinema in Brooklyn with guest speakers/giveaways/music, make an event out of it. We also plan to put it on VHS/DVD & online for download.
The other release I'm working on is a reissue of a NYHC compilation from 1985, but that's still in the early stages.
How did you get involved with Qi Gong and acupuncture?
I studied Wing Chun Kung Fu when I was 15 & my teacher always had these chinese herbs lying around his workout space, to be used for any training related injuries. That sparked an early interest in Traditional Chinese Medicine. As I got older, I transitioned into doing Tai Chi & learned its related art of Qi Gong, which is like Chinese Yoga. These modalities influenced me to go to Acupuncture school. I've been an Acupuncturist for the past 10 years now, currently in a great practice that treats all kinds of medical conditions. A lot of people our age regret the life choices they made, for whatever reason(s), but I'm very blessed to have found my calling early on & made it a career that I love, couldn't think of doing anything else.
What new stuff spins on your turntable these days?
Some current faves:
- I really dig the new Villians Lp, they're a NY band that plays a nasty fusion called "Street Metal".
- Tony Tears from Italy play doomy melodramatic dirges like Paul Chain/Death SS, good stuff.
- Sick People from Australia just put out a cool 7" that sounds like an old band on Mystic Records crossed w/NYHC.
- The new Carcass Lp sounds massive, a great return to form.
- Chamanes from Peru. Put out a killer cd earlier in the year, of heavy garage rock w/ ultra gruff vocals.
- Kings Destroy are a local band of old friends playing Sabbath/early Soundgarden-like tunes, new lp rules.
- Zebras from Wisconsin, an awesome, hard to categorize band you turned me on to, thanks!
- Las Otras from Barcelona, Spain. Really snotty punk work with an unapologetic feminist bent.
Any additional words of wisdom?
Well, a maxim I've always tried to live by, especially when rushing about NYC or any other busy metropolis, is this: "Better to lose a minute of your life, than your life in a minute". So I always keep that in mind during my everyday commute, life is fleeting, no sense in speeding along the hour of one's (eventual) demise. On that cheery note, thank you so much for the interview buddy, looking forward to reading your new blog postings & musical recommendations!
Was searching the web for pics of Freddy (there's some really cool mug shots of another Freddy Alva) and came across another interview of him (I could learn a lot from that interviewer. Check it out at,